Agent vs Lender
Agent vs Lender
The Art of Changing Lanes
Do you know what you purpose is in your life and business? What kind of legacy do you want to leave behind?
On this weeks episode of Agent Vs Lender we speak to Jennifer Zanz-Olsen who helps entrepreneurs find their purpose. She has found that most business owners at some point lose their purpose or are in need of changing the way they approach their purpose. Jennifer explains how to find your purpose and how to create the legacy you want to leave behind. Jumpstart your life and business and find ways to propel yourself forward into the life and success you want!
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Welcome to another episode of agent versus lender. And today, we have with us, Jennifer Zen's Olson. And we are going to be talking a little bit about purpose, purpose in life purpose and business purpose. And I'm actually really excited to talk about this because it took it's been a journey for me to figure out what my purpose is. And, and it wasn't it wasn't until recently that that I kind of figured it out. Because I always thought it was. I don't know, maybe I'll maybe I will say that. I always thought it was something else. I'll say that. And and maybe well, well, I'm sure we'll probably get into that. Yep. So welcome. Welcome, Jennifer.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
Ron Pippin:I'm excited to have you here. Um, tell me a little bit. You know, let's introduce yourself. I'm going to let you introduce yourself. Tell us what you do.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Sure,
Ron Pippin:what's your purpose? Yeah,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:um, so I'll say my purpose for a little bit, too. That'll be that'll be in the discussion, for sure. But I'll start with just telling you a little bit about my background, what I who I am, where I come from, but so yep, I'm Jennifer Zen's Olson, I'm the founder of laughing Lotus wellness. And my my purpose as we speak, in terms of my business is working with business professionals and entrepreneurs, who are feeling like they kind of have their dream job and are feeling empty and disconnected. And so what I do is I go in and teach them to reignite and connect with their purpose and success again. And whether that means that we keep them in the same space doing the same thing, or we change lanes, which we'll talk about in a little while. That's also a part of what I do. And so that's kind of the space I'm working in right now. But my background is really in clinical social work. So I have a master's degree in social work. And I worked in a psychotherapy practice for years. Much of that was private practice to where I was the business owner. So I've owned now two businesses. And I just really loved that piece of my journey, I went and got a certification in yoga, and I have a certification in crystal healing and Reiki, but really, it's they were really adjuncts to my love and passion for meditation. And so all of those things are kind of coming off of that big spoke of the clinical social work. And really, my being called to change lanes, was what inspired all of that next layer of my journey, because I thought I landed in clinical social work, and that was going to be it forever. And I started doing it and realizing that I needed to pivot and change lanes as well. So I've been through this journey too, and shifting and transforming. And so I'm just really passionate about helping people connect to that for themselves in their journey, getting them right feeling like they're doing meaningful work or they're deeply connected to their purpose in some facet of their lives.
Ron Pippin:I'm excited to talk about changing lanes because I've done that before. I have multiple times, and I'll be honest with you. I've been doing this for I'm going into 26 years now. And multiple times I thought about changing lanes. I didn't. But I did think about it. And there were some just big life events that made me think through that. So yes,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:yes. So well, I'm
Ron Pippin:sure we'll get into that, too.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yeah, absolutely.
Ron Pippin:Tell me what is purpose? What? What is, why is that important? Why do we need to do what what purpose is and what I? Yeah, so
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I so I just for fun. And I'm because I'm kind of a language nerd. I don't know why just language has always been really important to me. I'm an avid reader, I just find and particularly doing therapy for 20 plus years, you really want to be mindful language you're using with your clients as you're as you're working. And so
Ron Pippin:are you talking like scripting? Is that? Is that the case? Same kind of thing like scripts with and I don't like scripts? I don't know. No,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:no, where I'm going as I like, I like the idea of being mindful of the words we're using. Right? So let me give you just a sweet example that like kind of outlines us so I for for New Year's people set new year's resolutions. I hate that word resolution. resolution to me insinuates that there's something broken or wrong, we don't have to solve it. We don't need to be solved, we're not broken. So I will call it a revision. So when I did a retreat this year, I call it a new year revision, we revised our intentions. So I think it's how we look at it. And that language carries a lot of weight. And so when I say that, what I did was I nerd it out, like I normally do, and I looked at purpose right in the dictionary, and it says, but this is actually really beautiful. It says the reason for which something is done or created, or for which something exists, right. So that's like the dictionary definition. And so for me, though, and I love this, I'm going to quote my Angelou, who I absolutely love. And this is something I've been quoting for years about what I think I'm doing and why we're all here. But it's that I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did. But people will never forget how you made them feel. So no matter what you're doing in your journey, right? That's kind of my Hallmark is, am I looking at how I leave people feeling when they're done being in my space or working with me. And so that's just kind of one of my hallmarks. But I think purpose is really about living into your specific gifts. So this is now my how I would define it without any right without any like influence, of course, there's influence. But from my perspective, it's really stepping into the thing that makes you who you are that unique Spark, the Divinity within I'll try not to go to woo, because you're poor people might not know what hit him. But I really truly believe that. It's really about what makes you who you are, there's a couple of things that are just always going to be really sweet about each of us. There's something that just a message, a gift, a talent, right? So you could take someone who is exceptionally gifted at violin, and one of their one of their purposes in this life is to create that music. Right? So somebody else could be an incredible architect, and they're going to go out and they're going to create these buildings, frankly, right. I mean, for example, we're still talking about him, right? He paved this incredible trail with his ingenious design. And so it's really about stepping into the space of really what makes you who you are the unique marker that you're going to bring to the world. And I love Wayne Dyer, just, I love all things Wayne Dyer, but Wayne Dyer said, in my life, I don't want to die with a song in my heart. And what he's getting at is whatever gift we have in here, it is our job to send that out and share it with the world. And then and then furthermore, there's other there's another quote by a woman and I think it might be Martha Graham, forgive me if I'm misquoting who that is. But she talks about it's not your job to be worried about how it's received, or in what Avenue it's received. Your only business in this lifetime is to make sure you put it out there. And so I really love that inspirational idea of like, your only job is to do your thing. Your only job is to do your special, whatever it is bring it to the universe, whatever facet that looks like, that's really your job. And so it's really shows up I think, in strengths we have, in our talents that we have the deep motivation, right. I often think of it as the thing that if I asked you a question about something, you would light up about it and you would talk about it for 20 minutes straight with no breath, you would be so lit up. And even if I didn't know about it, I've got a great friend. His name is Anthony. He works at Polaris, right. He works with snowmobiles, and like toys like you know, right. He's really fun, incredible toys. He's like ATVs and all this really cool stuff. And it's not necessarily my stick, but I can't be in a spot talking with him about it, where I don't feel as excited as he is because it literally vibrates out of his soul. He loves his work so much. It's so deeply personal to him. That's where you know why Someone's here because when you're in that energy, you'll feel There's like, oh, like, all of a sudden you're excited. Like, wait a minute, I don't snowmobile, but somehow I'm deeply excited about what you're talking about. So that's always how I think we know we're bumping into and rubbing up against that idea of like, what our purposes is, we'll feel that enthusiasm will feel that magnetism, if you will.
Ron Pippin:Yeah, I love that. There's, you've said so much in such a short amount of time I like, I don't even know, I don't think I'll be honest, like, I don't even know where to go with this, because my head's my head spinning. But But, uh, but it's because I can tell that you love what you do. And so just said, you, if you're not watching this on YouTube, you really should watch this. Because it's not just in her voice. It's interactions. And it's, it's, it shows up in what she is saying. So. So I'm really excited to talk to you about this, because it's, it's obviously your passion. So yes, Yeah, it is.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yeah, you know, I think to talking about I want to give a great example of a friend of mine, and how we so So how might we know we're bumping into something. So I talked quite a bit already about how we might know we're in purpose, right? The experiences, the magnetism, the enthusiasm, it's our strength, it's our passion. It's, we could talk about it forever. We feel it inside, those are all those like beginning markers of like, Okay, I'm getting close to something, right. So I have a friend that this is really great story. She wanted to be a virtual assistant for a minute. And she started going to these networking events. And I'm a big storyteller storytelling is how I think we build our lives and connect stories
Ron Pippin:that connect the story.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yeah, totally. I love it so much. So she goes to this networking event, this is so great. And she'd had a really beautiful weight loss story. I mean, her journey is 100% 110%. inspirational. Okay, so she gets to this virtual event where she's gonna, you know, network, and she's going to talk about being a virtual assistant. And she shows up, and I'm sure she's professionally dressed, looks beautiful. And she gets done. And I go, how did your event go? And she goes, Well, it was pretty good. But in talking to everybody about wellness and fitness. And here's, but here's a great case in point. at that juncture. She was legitimately, um, she was stepping into her purpose without even knowing she was doing it. Right, her job was going to be a virtual assistant, amen. And great pay the bills, by all means, right? We all have to do that too. But how sweet to me, that she's talking to all these people in this room. And the one thing that she's building energy around, the space that people are getting called into her own is fitness and wellness, and her weight loss journey, and having this passion for trying to help other people do that, and how incredible that was, right. And so I always think it's really funny that that's kind of one of our tells, as well, is if I'm out there in the world, and I'm doing something. And it's like, you know, it's like, okay, and I'm doing my jam. But when I get in this lane, and I start talking about it, I'm like, oh, and the vibes go up. And pretty soon people are getting pulled in. And this might not even be my job, right? But all of a sudden, people are gathering around me. And they're asking questions, and they're engaged and that they're connecting. That's I always think that's one of our tells, is like when we start talking about something and people start gathering in and they can feel that like, there we go. Like there's the money kind of thing. And so I love that story about how Sarah went in and did this. And then that's okay. Like, however, that turns out for a journey for maybe that was just for someone's purpose for a minute. But I have no doubt at that moment. That was one of her callings, because that's how it came out. It was so clear that people wanted to hear about her journey from her. And so I just think that's really cool, how it shows up. And what I really want to do is help people be aware of how to look for that, right? Because sometimes I just think we don't know to look for it like yeah, like, Where are you lit up? Where are people being magnetically drawn into you? Like in what spaces? Do they want to hang out and ask you questions and be engaged with you. So I just love her story. I think that's so sweet. And I never left me because I could just imagine I know her heart so well. I'm like, Oh, I can bet you there have been 10 people that would have signed up for her like a to do like seriously like weight loss or training or she is somebody that she would have had signups because that's how passionate she is. So that's just I think that's such a cool thing, how it shows up that way.
Ron Pippin:So a couple couple stories is good. The broadcast that we just released it probably two times before this, okay. Is there was a guy that had weight loss, and he lost probably half of his body weight. Yep. And for him, and this is a this is a guy that I knew should have been like 12 years old, okay. And, and he's always kind of been a big boy. If I would have walked past him down the street, I would have never recognized him just because he's looked so different. But he lights up about that when he talks about his journey and how he lost weight and how he and those little small changes along the way. that I did. It was really fun. It was really fun to talk to him. That was that that's a podcast with Spencer Solomon, if you if you're interested in that one. Then the other day I was talking to somebody that's actually a friend of mine. That call called me about should he refinance? And I know that sounds like, what a boring topic. But man, I tell you, I talked to him about why you shouldn't why he shouldn't. And it's not just simply about interest rate, it's more about what it is. So this is gonna now I'm going to nerd out. Oh, good, good, good. So it's not it's about it's about running out with duration schedule, and are you really saving money in the long run? Because there's because it costs money to refinance, and I'm actually better off. So we have like a, we have like a 45 minute conversation just about Should I refinance, right? And that's probably not everybody's thing. But anything, you know, it's great. And I can like talk about it. And I can put it in in terms that maybe you hadn't thought about before, right? Because most people just think, is it a better rate? And there's way more to it than that? Sorry, I won't go into that, because I'll be here for 45 minutes. So no, I love that. That's where so that is my passion. Because like I know, inside now,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:right is the that's I think that's so neat to that it's something that you were talking about how you have a capacity to sit with people in it and walk them through it. And I think that's another layer of something we might be looking for, is in working with people for 20 plus years, one of the things you have to get? Well, one of the things I would hope that people have a gift for is when you're talking about mental health or talking about purpose, you're talking about these things, they're they can be really expansive, big deep conversations. And your job is to make sure that they come in bite sized pieces, because that's really how we learn. And so I think there's this there's this talent that you'll also find, as my speculation you start poking around for your purpose is like, Where do I have the talent, like you said, you had to like break this down and dig deep into it and really make meaning in it. And so I think that's another area that we might find is that it's also an area where you might be really great at helping people make meaning in it. And so like, I would be fascinated by what you said, because you would explain it to me in a way that I don't get it. And if you're giving me a new lens, that's that's a talent, that's a gift. And that might be just part of your incredible purpose. And so I actually love that you went there without even thinking about that as one of the things I would put on there. I would add that that I'm guessing that that's another area we're going to find is that you can teach it from the core, because it is so deep for you that it just comes right from your heart space. So that's beautiful.
Ron Pippin:So I don't know where you're gonna go with this. So, but so how, and maybe I'm jumping ahead. Okay, go ahead. Oh, dude, how do we find that? How do we know what our purpose is? Because a lot of people don't know. So I, somebody talked about purpose wants to know, I don't want purpose. I don't want purpose in my life, because it just puts too much pressure on. Oh, but I don't think that's true. I don't think that's a true. No, I don't think that's really true.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I don't either.
Ron Pippin:I have heard that. So
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:yeah,
Ron Pippin:I think it actually takes less, I think it takes pressure off of you know,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:right. Right. I would hope people would feel if I'm trying not to use my all of my energy words for people who are like maybe new to this whole idea. Right? But I think you feel aligned. Right? My what I find is that when people feel in purpose, they feel aligned. And so how do you arrive at that? I think one well, and I like this is layers of steps. Right? So I The hard thing is is a defining how to figure this out is a whole big thing, right. But I think some things are engaging in learning, which I know sounds really funny. But I'm a big fan of personal growth. And so I think whether you're listening to audiobooks, or podcasts, or whether you're engaging and taking courses, you I would want people to be expansively trying on all sorts of stuff. Because unless we're trying different things, we don't know what lights us up necessarily. I jokingly think that I still have friends that tell me, you know, Jen, you're so lucky that you always knew what you wanted to do. I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up, and they're in their 40s. Right? So this can feel like a lifelong journey of arriving at something. It isn't like something we come out of the womb and bam, we just automatically know if only it felt that simple. For some of us. I just I think I just knew from a really young age, people always talk to me about their issues and struggles. And it was just one of the things that felt really natural to me and I was always a really natural people reader. So it makes perfect sense to me. And so for me, it was very, very clear, but I understand that I've had my journey looks more like when I needed to pivot because I came out of alignment and I will be happy to share a part of that story too. But I would really encourage you to do personal growth, I would encourage you to talk to the people around you, I'm gonna be honest, if you're really struggling with this, one of the most powerful things you can do for yourself, is incorporate your community, your loved ones, and ask them, you know, when we're spending time together, when I'm working, when I'm doing this, where do you see me shine, and it's vulnerable? So the one thing I was talking about, right, it's a little vulnerable to reach out to people and say to someone like, Hey, would you give me this feedback? Because you're a little bit like, ooh, you know, I don't know what I'm going to get. I will tell you, I did this journey not long ago. And I was absolutely flabbergasted by the journey. I mean, I, every response, I got back, I cried, every one, there wasn't a single one I got back. Because it just even when you believe you know, where your light is supposed to shine in the world, having somebody else reflected back to you in different language, and in a different lens, was absolutely one of the most profound journeys of my entire life, hands down. And so when I say, going into your community and your family and friends, ask some people, you know, gosh, I'm just curious about this. How do you look at me? What do you see in me? What are my strengths? Where do I light up when we're talking? That's really what I want you to look at, you know, where do I feel the most excited in life, when I am the most engaged, my husband's a mechanical engineer, he's most engaged and excited when he's creating. He, it's cool if that's where he vibrates, because that's his, that is his magic, his magic is unraveling and making sense of things, taking them apart, putting them back together again, and inventing things that is the way his brain works. And so that's right. So if you get him talking about something, you can see he begins to it right. And so that's what you're looking for, and looking at your passions, like the stuff you enjoy the most, is it gardening? Is it singing? Is it playing an instrument I mentioned this already, there could be so many things in areas where I think it's really a lot about honestly, like awareness. And and like self exploration, like growing into a space of understanding where you feel like you are being called right. And so that's kind of I often say it like as a calling, like, you're getting called to do something different. And so I don't know if that if that makes sense. Or if that answers the question, Ronnie, but maybe you have any other questions or thoughts on that. That's kind of where I would say I would recommend people kind of begin a journey.
Ron Pippin:No, I love that. I hadn't thought about doing that. But I might do that. I think that's really cuz because what I think is my journey may not be showing up that way. And so I may be, I may be you I think I may be on the right path.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yes,
Ron Pippin:people are going, why are you doing this?
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Right? No,
Ron Pippin:instead, why are you not doing this? Because, like, you are really good at x. Exactly. Why, exactly. Probably where you're talking about maybe a possible shift. And when, when all of a sudden you realize, you know what, what I'm doing? It's it's a job. But yes, I love. Right. Right?
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yes. And so, for me, that's I think that's part of my journey is is my journey was, you know, each layer, I was really fired up and felt super connected. So I mean, the way that I fell into social work, I was gonna go into psychology, I got to college, I went to an advisor, they were like, do you want to do X, Y, and Z? And I'm like, not really. And they're like, then go to social work. I would have never picked a social work class ever in my life, divine guidance, go to Social Work class, boom, done new at the minute, the very first minute I stepped foot in that class. I was like, this was meant for me. So that began my Social Work journey, right? So I do that, then I graduate, awesome. Get a job, not doing what I feel like I'm being called to do like that population I'm working with, but still, it's like, not quite right. I'm not like loving it. Like I love the people. The people I always really enjoy. The people were never the issue. It was the avenue with which I was providing a service. And so I was like, Okay, it's time to go get my master's degree. Because I really want to be able to go deeper into these issues of the people and their struggles and our mental health, I wanted to be able to go in with them and work more deeply in that area. So then I write so then the next layer is going to have a master's degree. So I do that I graduate I start my journey of this this practice. loving my clients. My clients were the reason I showed up to work every day. And then as I started to practice long enough, I started to get the same niggling and that's always how I know. It's like, oh, there's something like when I get to the weekend, I'm like, peace out. That's always one thing I would say, if you're leaving your job. This is for the for the business owner and entrepreneur, if you're leaving work every week, that's supposed to be your dream job and you're like, um, see ya. That's how we that's that's a mark like, Oh, I might want to revisit why it is. I'm like, can't wait to get out of here, right. I need to examine what's going For me that this is no longer fitting like it once did. And I, when I tell you loved it was so passionate about my practice and my work for so many years I really was. And so again, what I would say is each of those moments, and this is how I would describe it were lane changes. They weren't purpose changes, right? So again, the purpose has stayed the same. The purpose of my being here planet rooted in the surface is never changed. The lane in which I do it is what changes and that's where I think it's important for people to investigate is it really, truly my purpose needs to shift? Or is it just that I need a lane change, I need to pivot into something that feels more like it fits me. And that was where I started. And so starting down a path of doing my own energy work and healing and going to do my yoga certification was completely my lane change. And then what I found was, I was like, I'm not really reaching people again, in the same way I want to, I'm now being called to reach people in a different layer and a different way of their being to support their journey here. And so each time I did that, it was the purpose was the same. The Lane was just changing, and I was making a pivot. And so that's really where I when I talk about that lane change. That's where I would go I think your purpose is always stays the same. It's just the lane changes.
Ron Pippin:Yeah, so what was going through my head when you were talking about this is a lot of people probably don't know that I worked well, people that that know me and are close to me know this. But I worked on in and I think you know this because one of my videos. Yes, I've done is that I worked on the Space Shuttle rocket booster program. Sony Yeah. ago. And, um, it got to the point where I did not love that. Yeah, I did not love it. In fact, they were having when I finally left, they were having some layoffs. And I went to my I went to my boss, and I just told him, I know that our section is getting is getting going to get hit or layoffs. I said, I'm really okay if I go. So stress about me going because like, I'm not good. And he turned to me and goes, Ron, thank you. Fresh write me when that day came that, that that that? That layoffs were coming like I knew I was going to I already told him that I'm ready to go. And so I wore I made a shirt that says free last. Oh, that's awesome. I wore that to work that day. My boss saw that. And he says, Well, I guess we don't need to belabor this point. He said, Oh my gosh, that's awesome. And they check they sent me to HR and HR has, you know, they're used to dealing with people that are are like, all depressed and were like, oh, what am I going to do? I got crying. And I go, Hey, man, are you guys doing? And they started laughing. Oh, we don't have to worry about you doing? I said, Oh, it's like I'm going.
Unknown:That is amazing.
Ron Pippin:So I knew that was not my passion. Right? Oh, I made that shift. Right. That was a hardship. I didn't know what I was going to do. Yeah, I knew that. That was an end.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yeah. So yeah. And I think sometimes those are the most powerful. Like when I I knew I was on the cusp of leaving my practice. But I had a whole bunch of and we won't get into it today. But I had a whole bunch of stories about why you shouldn't do that. And sense of responsibility and all these things. And that's, and here or there. But the idea is that I really had the sense that I needed to make a transition, and I just had been struggling to like, pull the plug, like be like, Okay, I'm, you know, I was there was two of us that own the practice anymore. And that was a big deal. For me, I really was like, Oh, you know, like this responsibility, this practice and all that we've built and blah, blah, blah. And so it was really hard for me. And when finally it was really funny, I kept contemplating, like, what am I going to tell Brian that I'm leaving? What am I going, and he came in one day, we were having to be in the kitchen area, I was getting my lunch and he goes, you know, john works. We're trying to talk about new space. And we're thinking about, you know, I'm just trying to get my brain around this. And I'm wondering if you know, you're planning on staying on or you plan on doing my go? No, I'm leaving. He didn't know. I was probably like, and I think he energetically knew like he was like picking it up. I mean, I've been doing other stuff. He knew my attention. My energy was flowing elsewhere. It wasn't rocket science. But I think it was really funny. That was like the perfect invitation, the perfect moment when he would look at me and say, and I was like, yeah, now it's time to pivot. And it was, but it was this really profound minute, right? It doesn't sound profound when I'm saying it here. But I have been gnawing on this whole thing. And like When am I going to just be over and done with this and put my put a line in the sand? For when laughing Lotus wellness is going to come on board full time. When am I going to make this this is like my whole heart and soul is going to be in this business. And that was the pivotal moment where I was like, yep, it's time to it's so I have to now put the gas on because this is now right I put myself out there. And and so thank God, you know, he cornered me in the kitchen while we were having lunch and asked me this profound question without knowing the impact it was going to have in my journey, that it finally set me free to say yeah, you know what, I got to pivot I got to change lanes and I wish you well, and I'm, you know, I'm sad about it. And this is something that I've been in for years, and I value it. And we set off on a journey together. That was really profound and life changing for myself, and so many of us, and I'm grateful for that. And it's time for me to go. And so yeah, I love your story. I love it. And that's, and that was me my like, my, like, done, like, just done. Like, I just knew I was done, and I needed to be done. And so I think those are some of those tells, if you will, like Oh, there it is, like, I gotta go. Like there's something that's I'm I'm because I think those minutes are where we're being energetically pulled into another area, because we have another layer of our purpose to live into. That's the way that I would define that for us. If that makes sense. I think you're being pulled into it for a reason. And sometimes it's sometimes it's like, we lose a job. And we're like, oh my god panicking, right? Like, like,
Ron Pippin:what am I? Really? Yeah,
Unknown:yeah.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:And there's nothing that's more, you know, like, jarring, right? To all of a sudden, I had this job, and I thought I was doing my thing. And you know, and now I've lost my job, and I know what to do. And so it can be really scary, but you're being called. And it's no different than being really successful. And you hear this all the time. It's very sad. But it's great when you're very successful if you're in a business, right, if you're a high level professional, or if you're owning your own business. And also it was his dream thing, and you got there and went, this isn't what I thought, Brian, this isn't what I thought, I arrived here. And I thought I was going to be lit up every day. And I was going to roll out of bed with vigor. And I couldn't wait to get there. And I was going to feel creative. And I was in the in the zone with this job. And I was gonna feel like I was living my best life. And I got here, and I got the money and I got the sex, that success and I got the accolades. And now I'm legitimately like, I don't have meaning attached to it. I'm maybe I feel depressed or anxious about going to work because now I feel so misaligned, that I'm having these other symptoms that are kind of telling me I'm I'm like, not in the right space anymore. And it doesn't mean you lost purpose. Right? But it will feel like that it can feel like we lost our purpose. We lost our fire, we lost our you know what, what we're here to do, you didn't lose that you're being called to go somewhere else. And so I just like thinking about it that way. So what do
Ron Pippin:you say to somebody that's feeling like that, like right now? Like, I'm, I've either lost my purpose, or I'm like, feeling like I'm trapped in my job. And I can't wait for the weekend. You know, you say to somebody that that's that's doing that right now
Unknown:that we need to begin again. So
Ron Pippin:that was an easy statement. But well, easier said than done.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:It sure is. It sure is. And and when I say that what I mean is my the Lotus, right? So laughing Lotus wellness. And this is just a little bit of like my sole sole work here is the Lotus if you don't know anything about the Lotus at all run with your question. Do you know much about a lotus?
Ron Pippin:No, I be honest. No, I not know that. I've heard it and you know, that has What was that? Like your chakra and your? I don't know, if all the bonus weight that you're talking about? You're talking about like, up up. Right. Okay, so you took a question? You.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:You took us on a tour of all the things energetic though, Ron, I'm so impressed. So yeah, but it's a flower. And so I'm just gonna start much simpler than you did. But I mean, kudos to you. I'm impressed with your own flower.
Ron Pippin:more complicated than where you're going. So, right. So
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:the Lotus the symbolism of a lotus Is this the Lotus is this beautiful white, pristine flower and it rests on the top of like monkey ponds and gross like water wherever. And then the magic of the lotus is that it sinks into the mud every single night and comes up in the morning. Completely pristine.
Ron Pippin:I didn't know that. That's actually cool.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Isn't that so cool? And so the reason that I began to get really excited about that was because it's a symbol for our journey and being able to renew ourselves and begin again anytime we need to. We can begin to get Ron Hold on one second Forgive me pause if you need to, like my dog is barking I need to get somebody up to get him because he is having a pill.
Ron Pippin:It's very faint in the background. So they know
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:it's it's so he's so naughty.
Ron Pippin:I'm gonna make a note 34
Unknown:Sorry about that. Yeah.
Ron Pippin:34 minutes at it. Okay, so I'm calling in always we can always go hey, we're gonna take a break right now.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yeah, my apologies. I totally did not. I thought he was gonna be fine. I don't know why he's been he did this this last week. ruined my entire life meditation with a group of people. I was I was literally I'm trying to teach. There's no one to take a pause. I'm teaching and my dog in the back row. And people are like commenting in the car. I'm like, oh my god. This is not happening to me right now. This is not
Ron Pippin:totally leaving this in. Oh, I expected you know why? Because this is an unexpected event that you didn't plan on, right? We go through unexpected events that we don't plan on all the time and how to. And it's just a matter of how we solve those and how we react to that difference in their life. Right? Yeah. And we're just we did it again, great. This is actually a great example of that. It's a small.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:You're enjoying it. I'm telling you, right, everybody and everybody, everybody in my meditations, like, Can we meet him? So here, I pull up my little shih tzu, and I'm like, this is the culprit. And they're like, He's adorable. I'm like, Well, I thought he was adorable till he was started wrecking my meditation. But everybody was so great, right? They just they flow with I was the one having an issue. They were like, just keep going. You're
Unknown:totally Yeah.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Anyway, okay. So. So as I was saying about the Lotus is just, it's the idea of renewal. And I always want to, I want people to know that you get to begin again, as many times as you need in your life, you can begin again, the next day, you can sleep and start fresh The next day, you can start fresh from one breath to the next. There's all these opportunities, we have to begin again. And I think that's really empowering to us. And so if you're really struggling, when I would look at someone and say, right, you know, in the laughter of courses is my style is to use laughter and every single component of what I teach and how I work. That's kind of one of the superpowers I would say that's on my case. And so right, but I would say we need to begin again. And so when it sounds really simple, what I mean is, we got to go all the way back to kind of ground zero and look at like, how did we get to where we are, right? That's the that's that clinical wisdom stuff talking is we're gonna go back in time and like, help me understand how you got to be where you are in your journey, we want to understand that, where are the spaces, you're stuck, you know, where can we pivot and help you renew? And then really, the biggest piece of work and the beginning of that is helping people understand what their purpose is, by looking at some of the the magical stuff that I do in, in my work. And my programs that I walk people through, that's what they do is they discover their purpose again. And so that's a journey that isn't something that right, so when you ask me, it's like, That's a big question. And that's usually a big piece of work, it's not going to take place in like a 10 minute, like, let's go sit at Starbucks and have some coffee, and in 10 minutes, we're gonna, you know, if only, and maybe we would be that lucky. But very often, I think it takes some time to really whittle down and spend time convert in conversation, really understanding and delving into your journey and the places that light you up to help you reconfigure that, because sometimes along the way, we've forgotten, we've just lost touch with it, here's what I'm gonna tell you. In my therapy office, I really truly believe that every client that came to me had their answers, I was not some guru, I'm not Jesus, I'm not doling out my magical fairy dust, I really, truly believe that every person I work with comes with their answers already inside of them. And the only thing we have to do is help them uncover it. And so that's really what the work that I do is, is it's helping people uncover the stuff that just got, it's just blocking it, it's blocking the wisdom, it's blocking their energy, I tend to use meditation for that, right, I would tend to use those effective healing tools and modalities that I have to help people uncover it, somebody else would have a different bag of tricks. That's just my bag of tricks, right? It's all the clinical work that I've done. And then combined with these, these healing modalities that I like to use. That's how I would help someone uncover it. And so it's, but it's a it's a process. And depending on depending on how long someone has been suffering in it, is how long the work is going to take. If that makes sense. Somebody has been suffering for five, 610 years, 20 years, and they come up and they're like, I'm not sure what my purpose is, well, that's not going to be a week long journey, right? I mean, it also stands to reason that sometimes if we've really been in it, or we're deeply suffering, so if I really got into a space where I'm really actually depressed or anxious, or anything like that, that's a more significant level of work, because we're going to have to address those needs. First.
Ron Pippin:We'll talk we've talked about sorry, to cut your good, just what used to what comes to mind is say yes, we've talked about, like jobs in and yes, our employment. Yes. Way beyond that. This is like, Are you stuck? Are you going through a divorce? Right? Duck in a terrible relationship? Yep. Or are you just like in your own head?
Unknown:Yes.
Ron Pippin:There's so this is just not job related stuff. It's like your wife stuff, right? Yes, it's
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:absolutely life stuff. And that's really, for me. One of my, I would say one of my purposes that I would say one other than being with people healing and teaching and I mean, those are so those are the roles right? I think one of the things we we tend to want to do is put a roll on it. But I would really say that my my purposes is transformation. And so that's really what I invite come on in and work with me to Find a transformation that I'm hoping I'm a space and an energetic place where people will come in and have transformation. And so exactly, it's bigger than that. Right? So that's where I'm going, right? Your, your, your profession, your job is one big area, because we spend so much time there. We spend so much time. But I think this is fascinating. I'm doing some research that like nine out of 10 people, according to Harvard Business Review, would legit give up their high paying job for work that was more meaningful. And what does that tell us? That just the money alone, or just the accolades, right? It's where I started earlier, it's like, just those things alone aren't even enough to carry us we can think with our heads that that's going to be the space we're going to arrive in, and we'll get there and go, Oh, this isn't what I did all the things, I got all the stuff, how am I here, right. And I now no longer feel at all connected, that that doesn't have meaning. So it says to me, we are seeking meaning. And meaning making is so super deeply important to all of us in our journey for most of us, right? Most of us, some of us are scared of it, unfortunately. But many of us meaning making is like a primary source of life. And so yeah, so it is so much bigger, you're exactly right, that it's so much bigger than even just your career. And my my belief system is that when you go in and do purpose work, all the parts align. So your business would hopefully align your profession would hopefully align, but what you're going to find is an a domino effect, when you really come into contact with what your purpose is, and you get really crystal clear on that. You're like, all, all the things line up. And I can start to really see all the alignment that's showing up in my life, right. And that's another neat thing is that when we are in alignment, when we are in purpose, and we're living our best life, all the things start coming in for us. It's like having a megaphone to the universe. And when things are going great, and we're really living into our purpose, stuff starts presenting itself like neck, like just naturally, we don't have to work at it. It just shows up for us. And so I think that's another thing you can be looking for, right is are things just are things just presenting themselves, whether it's business, or personally, you're right. If I really want a relationship to your point, if I really want a relationship, and I get real clear on my purpose, and I'm doing my own work. And I learned to love myself and I show up in the universe, I really like a partner. But instead of beating myself over the head with a stick, and I'm trying to do all these things to make it happen. I'm like, Okay, I'm going to trust that when it's time, this is going to roll in, it'll roll in for you. Right. And so I think that that's a piece where what it's so important to understand that exactly what you said, purpose is a domino effect. And it's going to affect every single area of your life, I think you're really going to get clear on so many pieces, just getting clear on this incredible portion of why we're all here.
Ron Pippin:Yeah. You earlier when we first started, I talked about what I thought my what I thought my purpose and my really my purpose, but what I thought I wanted in life. Yes. You just brought it up. I thought I wanted I thought I just want to I wanted to be like really wealthy, I wanted money. But I found that money is a short term motivator is long term motivator, right? And so people that say, Hey, I just want money. It's just like you got I'm sorry, you got to dig deeper than that. Yes. It's not going to motivate you for every forever, because you can because of money is your motivator. You're never going to get there. Right? And was once I started making some, you know, I, I, my wife and I we do well, yes. And money. Money is not our issue. But if money is your only motivator, you're never going to be done. You're never going to be satisfied. It's a really short term motivator can't be
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:that. Exactly. And I think
Ron Pippin:what you find too,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I Yes, I do. And I think a great example and I wish I could remember the two young men but one of my very favorite stories that was really a space this locked into my mind was in watching a I think it was called minimalism. And it's a documentary on Netflix. And it's two young men who are like I want to say went to school together really great friends got to Wall Street, right, went to school for business, did the whole thing did the whole map of life, got there, got to Wall Street, got the high end jobs, got the money, got the suits, got the cars got the house and went. Is this all that there is right? Is this all that there is and instead major pivot and moved into this idea of minimalism, wrote a book traveled the country sharing about minimalism with people. So they had to go through that painful adjustment, that really uncomfortable lane change, to really step into their purpose. But I'll guarantee you if I sat down with them and interviewed both of them and said, Tell me what your purpose is, and we did the work and we got super clear, we worked all the way through the layers. And they would say, it's it's still right here. The purpose hasn't changed. The Avenue with which I'm sharing my purpose has changed. And that would be Bingo. Right? We would no. got it right. And so that's exactly it. But I think it's so interesting that and I love their example, because that's so true, that will get driven by these ideas. Rather, I'll be a successful doctor, and I'll have all these, you know, people that want to, you know, like, follow me, and, you know, like, hold me in high regard. But like, tell me how happy that keeps you forever. Tell me how happy just the money keeps you because it won't stay forever those things transition and change. So our best source of purpose is something that remains the same, right? It's always there for us. And so I really think that's beautifully said that we want to think about that money or accolades or things like that, that's going to come and go, that's going to come and go. And so I think one of the questions I like to ask people to is like, one of the things to spark you into purposes, what do you want your legacy to be? So So here's my question for you. Ron. Are you ready? I asked Ron ahead of time. I can I surprise you with a mystery question. I love this. Right. And so everybody, they interview I like to pop off like this. Just random questions. I think it's so fun. Because it's authentic. Right, then
Unknown:you haven't thought about?
Ron Pippin:What you're going to ask.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I know, right? So So Drumroll, please. No. So here's what I want to ask you. What is your purpose? I would love to hear from you what your purpose is. And then the second layer of that question is, what do you want your legacy to be?
Ron Pippin:And it's funny you link those together? Because my purpose is as my leaving a legacy
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:that's parse often should be Yeah,
Ron Pippin:leaving a legacy so like I told you earlier that I thought my that making money and so I go down avenues sir, entrepreneur, doing different things landed in mortgage, totally nother story of heights. And so my purpose? I don't know that I can tell you really clear. So. So this is, I know, I know, I'm you're looking at me, like I know. But you know, I think I think most people are in that boat. It's just like, all they can tell you really clearly, right? I know that family is is really a motivator. Like, it's really high on my last ditch, it's like, but I want to provide them. And the reason why the money comes in is because I want to provide them a good living, I want to provide, I want to provide the things that money that money allows us to do. Surely the money like I, my wife, and I like to travel, we like to get places we like to do those kinds of things. And so the money allows us to do to do those things. But I've also found that the mortgage industry I hate to say this on like an a podcast. I don't know if that's the mortgage industry is my purpose. But I'm really good at it. Yes. Really good at it. Right. I think my purpose as I'm finding that, as I start bringing on other loan officers start working with other real estate agents, that I'm, I'm being able to help them grow, I'm being able to help them understand how to scale and under. And, and so instead of like being a one man show, how do you how do you be able to leverage yourself and stop working 6070 hours a week, right, and really make more money and not work those crazy hours? You know, because the money the money, the money offers you things that that? For sure. You know, I'm not saying tours wrong, right? Some some poor people, some people that don't have a lot of lot of sustenance, happiest people on a know, like, exactly. Isn't that funny? It's just like, we're all chasing, chasing this almighty dollar. People that don't have a lot of it are some of the happiest people that we know. Because they're burdened with that. That's right.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Well said, No, but
Ron Pippin:But what I'm trying to what I'm trying to help people understand is like, you don't have to work 60 hours a week, stop doing that. There's a way to make that happen. And I can help you make that happen. Right. So and I and I, and it's only been recently that I learned, like, I set that up in my business. And it's like, Hey, I can help other people do the same thing. You can probably tell like, I'm lighting up, right? Yeah,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:that's exactly right. Right, your face gets raised. That's beautiful. That's exactly right. When we get to the space, your face will light up, you start to lean forward, your hearts shining out, there is a magnetism. And just as soon as you started saying that there was a shift in what you were talking about. And that's always how we know we're starting to awaken Where you're gonna go. And so whether you call it run, like whether you're a connector, whether you're like I hear you like, it's teaching, like look at the balancer, like you're teaching people how to be very successful but have balance, like you're teaching them how to do both of those things to hold space for success, but like, by all means keep your family in your balance, go travel, right, these are things that you're passionate about doing, you found your own way to that. And I'm not saying that's your purpose. But what I'm throwing out there is, those are things we would start looking at is look at what you're doing. And so so with that being said, I love that. So I'm not saying that's your purpose, but I'm just throwing it out there as like, look at the connections that you're making even just how you're talking about that. And my speculation too, is that if you said, What's your legacy? So tell me what your legacy is?
Ron Pippin:Well, so my son is working in this industry with me. And so I'm I'm setting this business up, so that he can provide for his family and that he doesn't have to go there. I'm 2526 years into this business. Yeah. And it's taken me 2020 years to get to start all sudden, connecting the dots and going, why did I waste 20 years? And I'm not I'm not like giving it to him? He's working for Oh, I believe that means he's working for it. Yeah. Because I, because I think if you hand something to somebody, like you give a man to give a man a fish or teach a man to fish, yes. Oh, that that that parable, you know? And so I'm teaching him to fish.
Unknown:I love it.
Ron Pippin:But I don't want him to go to 20 years years of pain like I did.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yeah. And let me say this, though, when I say that's sort of my legacy. Leaving is leaving this, this his ability to then step into something. And what I love about what you said to for me, Ron, what really resonates is you wanted it sooner for him. And so I so I love that you're like I want him to have his life align more quickly than it took me in mind. And what I would tell you is, and this is just, I can't help it. It's like the coach in me is there, there's no accident, you didn't do 20 years of what you did. That's not an act, that's not a waste. And so I would tell the person out there that's listening to this, that if you put some time into something, and you're like, oh, it really didn't produce where I want, there's no accidents, then then that was part of the journey that you needed to be in to get to where you are today. You would in fact, not be where you are today without that part of the journey. And so I always want to encourage people to have compassion for yourself like to like, have appreciation and gratitude, like okay, well, that wasn't for me. But now I know what wasn't for me. So just we have to unravel backwards, I saw him say, and I forget what my quote was. But we have to start at the at the ending sounds we have to begin at the ending. So I asked about legacy that sounds like the ending. But sometimes to get real clarity, we almost have to start there first. So sometimes we work backwards. It's like, Well, here's all the things I don't want to do. Here's all the choices I don't want to make. Because then I arrived really fully aligned into that solution for myself. And so I you know, like, yeah, that's not 20 years lost. It's 20 years not living into where you want it to be necessarily. But those were all the steps you had to be in to be where you are today, which is
Unknown:right. You know, what's
Ron Pippin:really funny is what you said is like, you have to start at the ending. Yeah, I asked you if I said, Hey, Jen, yeah. How do you how do you if you were to get in your car and drive to Disneyland? How would you get there? Seriously, how would you get there? Well,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I probably I probably plugged my GPS in, and then I would drive my car.
Ron Pippin:Okay, but if I didn't have a GPS, and I was saying, Jen, I want you to tell me, I'm not gonna make you tell me? No. Okay. If you if without a GPS, I want you to take which freeway which roads, which you could, you could probably figure out how to tell me how to get that right.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Yes, yes, absolutely.
Ron Pippin:But now if I said, and you're in a completely different state than I am, but I said, Well, I I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm in Oregon. Yeah. Right. Oh, your path to get to someplace is going to depend on not only where you start, but where you end. That's right. Your path is going to be different than somebody else's path. Absolutely. So what you're seeing is like the path that I just took, was my path. That's right. Not anybody else's path. So there's nothing wrong with the path that I took. That's right. That's my that's my journey for my life.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:That's your journey for your life. And And furthermore, what's really neat is that you met people, you had experiences that were all getting you ready. Everything we do is like preparation. It's all of it. And so whether or not we see it when we're living it because it can feel not like that it can feel purposeless. All of us, right? I walked a pink cat back and forth a toy cat in front of KB toys and Madison, Wisconsin for eight hours. Okay? I mean, tell me where I was growing spiritually standing, walking that stupid pink cat back and forth in front of the store embarrassed as all get out and hoping to God, no one saw me that I knew. We've all done those things. But every single layer was meeting people and having experiences and growing into that space. And so I think it's like having that that gratitude like, okay, so I might not have always seen where I was going. But that was all prepping me. Every single journey I have is in preparation for the next step. It's for living into that purpose. And so and like I said, it's why like the legacy journey, because I feel like it starts us with someday when I leave the world, what do I want to leave behind? And so when it's why Maya Angelou right, her phrase is so profound is how do they make you feel? And so that's really where I want to garner some energy for people is like, how do you want to leave this earth when you go? What do you want the legacy to be? One of yours is leading a business for sun, which is incredible. You're busy building that that's such a beautiful thing. And what else?
Unknown:Ron? What
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:How do you want people to feel about you? What do you want us to remember someday? When you leave your body? What would you want us to be left with? And that was what I would want to know from you.
Ron Pippin:That's a great question. It really, it really is. It's a great question. And I can probably answer part of that. Yeah. I don't know that I could answer it fully. So that's sure. So I have some work to do.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:That's okay. That's okay. And I invite you to do that. And you don't have to have we don't all have the answers readily. Like we don't none of us. And so we're lucky when we can spend some time, right, engaging in these kinds of thoughts and journeys to help kind of help elevate ourselves and our experience here. I don't expect that everyone's going to have those answers. And sometimes it's going to it's going to take us some really dig deeping because mine's transformation. That's one thing, I certainly hope that I that I leave the world in a different state of transformation that I paved the trail, Ron, for other people to step into their goodness, that's really if I had to say, right, and but families in their right I mean, all the things right my relationship, but for me, all of it's about connection. At the end of the day, if you asked me, did I do a great job connecting? Did I connect dots for people to their purpose? Did I connect the dots for myself and where I was supposed to go to connect the dots between my love myself, my journey, my family? So I think it's you know, but that's a bigger like, life kind of thing. Like, why are we here? But I would say transformation tends to be one of the areas where I would say yeah, like, I'm hoping someday at the end of the road, there's a whole lot of people that felt like because they came into my sphere for whatever reason that they were transformed in some way. And really, that I left the world a better place. One of my personal agreements is to leave the every single place that I go in my life a little bit better than it was when I arrived. I was
Ron Pippin:just going to say that same thing. It's really Yes. I always say the same thing is like my wife and I always say the same thing. And so it's like, we need to leave people in places a little bit better than than when we left them.
Unknown:That's right.
Ron Pippin:I think that's I'm not gonna say that I'm that that I that I'm perfect at that. Because I'm Oh, no. Oh, no. That's horrible. Right, exactly.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:That's exactly it. It's not it. Certainly I'm not. I mean, right. I wish I were I wish I was that elevated in my life, right that I was floating through life like a guru. And I just, you know, sprinkle fairy dust. No, I'm human. I make mistakes. I you know, probably hurt people from time to time. I make mistakes we all do. But if my if my one one of my legacies I hope to leave, it's just that it's a hallmark in my mind. And so I can remind myself, like when I'm showing up to something, am I am I trying to create space for this to be just a little bit better? A little bit sweeter, a little bit deeper, a little bit? Whatever? Am I just leaving it a little better than I found it. And I think that's really, that's, it's just a guide. We won't do it perfectly. It's a practice. And that's why I like the ideas of meditations and yoga and things that we're doing. They're called practice. Because we're inviting the imperfection. We're inviting the humanity into it. We don't have to show up expecting perfection from ourselves. That's not real. I like gritty people. I like the people that have lived through some really hard stuff show up live in that space are authentic and vulnerable and showing up into it. I don't perfection is not a thing for me. It's not I don't see that as an existence possible. It's not possible. And so whenever someone shows up and tells me their gritty story and like you bring it that excites me more because that's real. We can do work with that. We can't work with a person or a situation that they're like it's perfect. Well, oh, good, then, you know, then good do your life I guess I because I don't Yeah, my life hasn't been perfect. And I'm not perfect by a long shot. It's just, I am a work in progress. And that's what I think we all are. We're in process. We're in practice for living into those kinds of legacies and things like that.
Ron Pippin:Yeah. Jen, this has been this has been really enlightening. For myself. I'm sure it's for listeners, and for those that are watching us on YouTube. So I appreciate you being here. And thank you, I think I'm glad
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:then then that was the that was the point of our doing. You're right. That's awesome.
Ron Pippin:So how can people if they wanted to reach out to you what's what's the best way for them to reach out to you? Yeah,
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I'm on all social media. So that's one but really, truly the best way to connect with me if you want to ask any questions or anything like that would be to go to my web page, which is laughing Lotus wellness.com. It's a mouthful, but it's just laughing Lotus, wellness calm. And so yep, I'm out and around and available. And I welcome people to reach out to me if anything inspired you or have a question or anything like that. I love engaging with people and connecting around these things. Because it's just, it's powerful conversation, like, you know, like you and I had here today, we probably got on here and we didn't know where it was going to go. And and I always love that I get challenged, you asked me some hard questions like I asked you a hard question or two. That's a that's growing us, right? And so I'm all about that. And so I invite anybody that wants to grow into this direction, to feel free to connect with me right on my web page.
Ron Pippin:So awesome. Yeah, thanks so much, Jen. Thank you hear.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:Oh, it was amazing.
Ron Pippin:And that'll bring to close another episode of agent versus lender. And if you want to reach out to me or my team, just call us. you'd call our tax the best number to reach us as 801-628-7667. And we will catch you again on another episode of agent versus lender.
Unknown:Let's look at you.
Ron Pippin:Thanks so much that that was actually a lot of fun.
Jennifer Zenz-Olsen:I am so glad that was my goal. I wanted you to have a good time with it. And I wanted you to feel like it was purposeful sounds cheesy but like it felt like it was meaningful and it was going to add something that's always it's like I want to bring meaning